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	<title>Comments on: Who pays for Accessibility</title>
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	<description>Gary Barber rants on user experience, and the controlled chaos of the Web Industry</description>
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		<title>By: Dee</title>
		<link>http://manwithnoblog.com/2007/02/14/who-pays-for-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-888</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gary,

Thanks for asking the question. I think clients should pay, and they should know what they are paying for and why. 

I guess in some cases, if a Web designer feels there&#039;s a good chance they&#039;ll be doing more work (makeovers) for the client, I guess they could take the gamble and use accessible, standard code, charging a lower rate with a reasonable expectation that it will pay off in the long run? 

Clients should pay - that good feeling when you turn CSS off and it all still works probably won&#039;t put your kids through school!

Dee (who actually knows people who use adaptive equipment! And yeah, that&#039;s how clients can test to see if a site&#039;s accessible, have people who use adaptive equipment check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gary,</p>
<p>Thanks for asking the question. I think clients should pay, and they should know what they are paying for and why. </p>
<p>I guess in some cases, if a Web designer feels there&#8217;s a good chance they&#8217;ll be doing more work (makeovers) for the client, I guess they could take the gamble and use accessible, standard code, charging a lower rate with a reasonable expectation that it will pay off in the long run? </p>
<p>Clients should pay &#8211; that good feeling when you turn CSS off and it all still works probably won&#8217;t put your kids through school!</p>
<p>Dee (who actually knows people who use adaptive equipment! And yeah, that&#8217;s how clients can test to see if a site&#8217;s accessible, have people who use adaptive equipment check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Barber</title>
		<link>http://manwithnoblog.com/2007/02/14/who-pays-for-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 14:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a tech gadget savvy client, show them it works on their phone.  Print a page out show them the print style sheet result. 

Ask them to try and access their own site with just the keyboard. But these are accessibility issues  (some are).  

General Standards, the results come when they say  &quot;I want to change the menu from vertical to horizontal&quot;.  Snap easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a tech gadget savvy client, show them it works on their phone.  Print a page out show them the print style sheet result. </p>
<p>Ask them to try and access their own site with just the keyboard. But these are accessibility issues  (some are).  </p>
<p>General Standards, the results come when they say  &#8220;I want to change the menu from vertical to horizontal&#8221;.  Snap easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Nightdog</title>
		<link>http://manwithnoblog.com/2007/02/14/who-pays-for-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Garry -agreed, sadly most clients don&#039;t tend to think long-term at all but at the end of the day, they pay for not complying with standards.

I think clients should be more aware of what they are acquiring and (contractually) require certain standards from the designers. The clients will be paying the costs initially but will be getting a higher quality site in return.

The questions is how to empower the clients technically? How does a client know they actually got an accessible and standards compliant site? Certification?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Garry -agreed, sadly most clients don&#8217;t tend to think long-term at all but at the end of the day, they pay for not complying with standards.</p>
<p>I think clients should be more aware of what they are acquiring and (contractually) require certain standards from the designers. The clients will be paying the costs initially but will be getting a higher quality site in return.</p>
<p>The questions is how to empower the clients technically? How does a client know they actually got an accessible and standards compliant site? Certification?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Barber</title>
		<link>http://manwithnoblog.com/2007/02/14/who-pays-for-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@nightdog, Oh I agree. 

However, some clients don&#039;t think in the long term they think of the budget they have here, today. They will worry about the costs in the future when it arrives. They live for this financial year only.

But what does firm B care, they have been paid, the client has moved on. They are onto the next cookie cutter project, churning out the web sites making lots of money, expanding etc.  You see they have a different mind set, its not for the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@nightdog, Oh I agree. </p>
<p>However, some clients don&#8217;t think in the long term they think of the budget they have here, today. They will worry about the costs in the future when it arrives. They live for this financial year only.</p>
<p>But what does firm B care, they have been paid, the client has moved on. They are onto the next cookie cutter project, churning out the web sites making lots of money, expanding etc.  You see they have a different mind set, its not for the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Nightdog</title>
		<link>http://manwithnoblog.com/2007/02/14/who-pays-for-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Nightdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firm B will eventually pay for *not* being standards compliant over the course of the following makeovers. For example to improve cross-browser functionality, to support mobile devices, or to reduce maintenance costs. Even a simple visual redesign (because the marketing folks want a new corporate appearance) may be more expensive for Firm B&#039;s tag soup than for Firm A. Standards compliance is an investment, accessibility even more so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firm B will eventually pay for *not* being standards compliant over the course of the following makeovers. For example to improve cross-browser functionality, to support mobile devices, or to reduce maintenance costs. Even a simple visual redesign (because the marketing folks want a new corporate appearance) may be more expensive for Firm B&#8217;s tag soup than for Firm A. Standards compliance is an investment, accessibility even more so.</p>
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