Comments on: Web Awards that have Meaning http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/ Gary Barber rants on user experience, and the controlled chaos of the Web Industry Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:05:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Karl Brightman http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13777 Karl Brightman Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:36:40 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13777 Thats very true, i've never even thought about using archive.org for smaller sites :) Thats very true, i’ve never even thought about using archive.org for smaller sites :)

]]> By: Levi Buzolic http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13776 Levi Buzolic Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:28:45 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13776 archive.org won't pick up the smaller sites (unless manually submitted), and it would be the responsibility of the developer to submit the site for indexing as soon as it goes live. archive.org won’t pick up the smaller sites (unless manually submitted), and it would be the responsibility of the developer to submit the site for indexing as soon as it goes live.

]]> By: Karl Brightman http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13775 Karl Brightman Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:25:29 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13775 Thats very true, if the awards are making people clean up their code its not a bad thing. Its just a shame that they have the potential of being given an award after doing so. We need something similar to performance enhancing drug tests that athletes take :P We don't want validation enhancing tweaks! Would archive.org be a viable solution for some of these sites? I'm not sure how reliable it would be, but validating markup might be alright. Thats very true, if the awards are making people clean up their code its not a bad thing. Its just a shame that they have the potential of being given an award after doing so.

We need something similar to performance enhancing drug tests that athletes take :P We don’t want validation enhancing tweaks!

Would archive.org be a viable solution for some of these sites? I’m not sure how reliable it would be, but validating markup might be alright.

]]> By: Gary Barber http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13774 Gary Barber Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:21:26 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13774 @levi - *looks around* - bugger! we have been sprung... :) @levi – *looks around* – bugger! we have been sprung… :)

]]> By: Levi Buzolic http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13773 Levi Buzolic Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:16:53 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13773 Maybe the awards are just a big scam to force lazy developers to clean up their code, and we're just pawns in a much bigger game. :P Maybe the awards are just a big scam to force lazy developers to clean up their code, and we’re just pawns in a much bigger game. :P

]]> By: Gary Barber http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13772 Gary Barber Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:13:21 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13772 @levi, @karl - don't be so sure that the judges are all just going on the "pretty" look of the site, a good number of them look at the code and can tell client from developer code. You guys are limited to the smarts! Yes it would be wonderful if everyone had sites that validated when launched. It would also be great it they where all easy to use, not function overload and accessible by all. It would be also good if people didn't have to nominate or others could nominate them. Still it is good that at least some of the web has cleaned up it's act to enter the awards, that in its self is a small step forward. All suggestions on ways to improve things are very welcome. @levi, @karl – don’t be so sure that the judges are all just going on the “pretty” look of the site, a good number of them look at the code and can tell client from developer code. You guys are limited to the smarts!

Yes it would be wonderful if everyone had sites that validated when launched. It would also be great it they where all easy to use, not function overload and accessible by all.

It would be also good if people didn’t have to nominate or others could nominate them.

Still it is good that at least some of the web has cleaned up it’s act to enter the awards, that in its self is a small step forward.

All suggestions on ways to improve things are very welcome.

]]> By: Levi Buzolic http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13771 Levi Buzolic Tue, 13 Jul 2010 04:45:07 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13771 Definitely Karl, unfortunately I think it'll be near impossible for the judges to be able to discern between the client's code and that of the developer. But I'm definitely with you, it should be done right the first time and valid code should be written to maximise compatibility not to win perspex trophies. Definitely Karl, unfortunately I think it’ll be near impossible for the judges to be able to discern between the client’s code and that of the developer.

But I’m definitely with you, it should be done right the first time and valid code should be written to maximise compatibility not to win perspex trophies.

]]> By: Karl Brightman http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13770 Karl Brightman Tue, 13 Jul 2010 04:39:50 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13770 Oh i understand that Levi, and thats described in the guidelines on the Web Award site. This is acceptable for areas that the client has control but i'm more concerned with the areas that aren't controlled by the client. I still feel theres a lot of code thats being cleaned up by designers/developers before being submitted that could have potentially been done when the site was going live rather than waiting for the award submissions. Oh i understand that Levi, and thats described in the guidelines on the Web Award site. This is acceptable for areas that the client has control but i’m more concerned with the areas that aren’t controlled by the client.

I still feel theres a lot of code thats being cleaned up by designers/developers before being submitted that could have potentially been done when the site was going live rather than waiting for the award submissions.

]]> By: Levi Buzolic http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13769 Levi Buzolic Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:26:37 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13769 I'm with you Karl, and while I agree that sites should launch valid and stay that way, I find clients often go on to insert invalid code. If entrants aren't able to go back and tidy those things up, they'd be penalised for having validation errors through no fault of their own. This is however dependant on the CMS (if any) used though. I’m with you Karl, and while I agree that sites should launch valid and stay that way, I find clients often go on to insert invalid code. If entrants aren’t able to go back and tidy those things up, they’d be penalised for having validation errors through no fault of their own. This is however dependant on the CMS (if any) used though.

]]> By: Karl Brightman http://manwithnoblog.com/2010/06/14/web-awards-that-have-meaning/comment-page-1/#comment-13768 Karl Brightman Tue, 13 Jul 2010 03:06:25 +0000 http://manwithnoblog.com/?p=1464#comment-13768 Hey Gary, Only just had a chance to read up on this and thought i would put my two cents in. My issue isn't with whether or not the awards are rigged or not, i agree with you on this one, the chance that people know each other in the industry is incredibly high. The issue i have with the awards is that i don't feel it awards people fairly. It doesn't always award people for fantastic work they've produced in the last year. It doesn't award people for the skill they have, the passion they have. A lot of people i have talked with have always mentioned that they have spent time before submitting a site in 'cleaning the site up', making it valid, making tweaks to the site to give it that edge. This is find unbelievable, the fact these these sites could be the ones winning an award is beyond me. Should the sites not be valid in the first place? Should they not be tweaked and ready for an award once they go live? Obviously this isn't an issue that can be easily tackled by Judges, i understand that. I realise theres not an easy way to ween out the sites that are already valid, already at the top of their game, cream of the crop if you will. The amount of work to find these sites and judge them all in times for the awards would be huge, and as its a volunteer run event, this would be out the question. I just feel that the awards could potentially(not always) be given to sites that, although user friendly, visually stunning etc. don't always show the industry in the best light. The real winners are the ones checking their sites, tweaking them for the client, making sure they're valid before they go live. To me, theyre the real winners. They're the people who are passionate about their work. Just wanted to have a little bit of a rant as I feel there is a lot of sites being submiited after being cleaned up, tweaked, made valid etc. Hey Gary,

Only just had a chance to read up on this and thought i would put my two cents in. My issue isn’t with whether or not the awards are rigged or not, i agree with you on this one, the chance that people know each other in the industry is incredibly high.

The issue i have with the awards is that i don’t feel it awards people fairly. It doesn’t always award people for fantastic work they’ve produced in the last year. It doesn’t award people for the skill they have, the passion they have.

A lot of people i have talked with have always mentioned that they have spent time before submitting a site in ‘cleaning the site up’, making it valid, making tweaks to the site to give it that edge. This is find unbelievable, the fact these these sites could be the ones winning an award is beyond me.

Should the sites not be valid in the first place? Should they not be tweaked and ready for an award once they go live?

Obviously this isn’t an issue that can be easily tackled by Judges, i understand that. I realise theres not an easy way to ween out the sites that are already valid, already at the top of their game, cream of the crop if you will. The amount of work to find these sites and judge them all in times for the awards would be huge, and as its a volunteer run event, this would be out the question.

I just feel that the awards could potentially(not always) be given to sites that, although user friendly, visually stunning etc. don’t always show the industry in the best light.

The real winners are the ones checking their sites, tweaking them for the client, making sure they’re valid before they go live. To me, theyre the real winners. They’re the people who are passionate about their work.

Just wanted to have a little bit of a rant as I feel there is a lot of sites being submiited after being cleaned up, tweaked, made valid etc.

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